Remember You’ll Never Walk Alone in 1963? Gerry and the Pacemakers’ interview

Michael Owen Carlsberg Liverpool

Michael Owen  – © to the owners

The story of how I started supporting Liverpool Football Club in the UK whilst remaining an AS Roma fan in Italy is not very honourable.
It was 1998, and Italy had miserably lost the World Cup’s quarter-final match in France over our all-time sport enemies, the French, but instead of being furious like everybody else, I was busy getting a teenage crush on the English football player Michael Owen who led me to become a Liverpool FC supporter as a consequence.

Televideo BBC Sport

The “Televideo”

The Internet was not widely available back then, so I would rely on the ugly national TV Teletext service called Televideo to get hold of the Premier League results every Sunday evening, and I would also tell my local newsstand guy to go and order me dozens of official Liverpool FC magazines from the UK that I could not read because I didn’t speak a word of English.
Poor man.
I’d already pestered him for years with my weekly subscription to Build Your DIY Doll House.
And I didn’t even build that doll house in the end.

ball decorated with Liverpool fc

A Liverpool FC plastic ball!

In the pre-Internet era, magazine postage from the UK was way cheaper than in these post-Brexit times, but the crush on Mr Owen lasted no more than a plastic ball I decorated with the Liverpool coat of arms during a boring maths class at school.

Longtime Roman captain Francesco Totti eventually stayed in the AS Roma team for 25 years, so I couldn’t accept that Michael Owen was leaving Liverpool FC for Real Madrid first, and for Newcastle United and Manchester United later; as soon as I realised he was also shorter than me, the affair was definitely over.
But unlike Michael Owen and regardless of The Romans, the Reds have remained in my heart ever since and they won’t go away anytime soon.

You'll Never Walk Alone by Gerry and the Peacemakers

You’ll Never Walk Alone by Gerry and the Pacemakers

The Anfield Stadium was the first non-Beatles thing I went to see in Liverpool, and I love that the beer Carlsberg sponsored the Reds’ shirts for three decades, I love the Liverpudlians and their impossible accent, and especially, I love the official Liverpool FC anthem by the 1960s Liverpool band Gerry and the Pacemakers.

You’ll Never Walk Alone is the most beautiful chant you will ever hear people singing at a football stadium, it goes under your skin right up to your heart, and here it stays, forever.

Originally composed in 1945 by the American musical duo Rodgers and Hammerstein for the musical Carousel, You’ll Never Walk Alone was repurposed in the UK in 1963 by the Liverpool-based band Gerry and the Pacemakers as their third single.

And just like their two previous songs How Do You Do It? and I Like It, both released in 1963 under the guidance of music genius Brian Epstein who also famously managed The Beatles, You’ll Never Walk Alone also reached number one on the UK Singles Charts that year.

You'll Never Walk Alone on the Shankly Gate of the Anfield Stadium in Liverpool

You’ll Never Walk Alone on the Shankly Gate of the Anfield Stadium in Liverpool

Gerry and the Pacemakers were the first band in British music history to reach number one with their first three singles.
You’ll Never Walk Alone became Liverpool FC’s official anthem immediately upon release, and it is still shouted by masses of Liverpudlians at the Anfield Stadium before each and every home match.

Before the song was actually out, the band leader Gerry Marsden had given the then-Liverpool FC manager Billy Shankly a recording of the song, prompting the local press to write that the upcoming Gerry and the Pacemakers’ track was being adopted as the official club anthem.

Gerry and the Peacemakers' Gerry Marsden - © to the owners

Gerry Marsden – © to the owners

You’ll Never Walk Alone is what you can read today on the Shankly Gates entrance of the Anfield Stadium, and, after Gerry Marsden’s death in 2021, plans have been revealed to erect a statue of him on Liverpool’s waterfronts.

The song has also made the anthem of Celtic FC from Glasgow, Scotland, CD Lugo in Spain, Borussia Dortmund, FSV Mainz 05 and TSV 1860 Munich in Germany, FC Twente, Feyenoord and SC Cambuur in The Netherlands, FC Admira Wacker in Austria, K.V. Mechelen and Club Brugge KV in Belgium, FC Tokyo in Japan and PAOK in Greece.

The tune impressed Nelson Mandela, inspired Queen to write We Are The Champions and We Will Rock You and was performed by countless singers over the years, including Barbra Streisand and Andrea Bocelli.

In 2019, Gerry Marsden appeared on stage during a Take That concert in Liverpool and performed his signature song along with Gary Barlow; this was probably one of his last public appearances before he passed away two years later.

Tony Young of the Gerry's Peacemakers- © to the owners

Tony Young of the Gerry’s Pacemakers- © to the owners

After Mr Marsden’s death, Tony Young has become the official gatekeeper of Gerry and the Pacemakers’ legacy, music and vibes. Tony joined the band in 1995 as they were resuming Gerry and the Pacemakers’ big hits for the nostalgia and oldie live show circuits all across the world, and performed with Gerry until his retirement, in 2018.

He received Gerry’s and Gerry’s family’s blessing to continue making the Pacemakers’ hits in concerts under the name of Gerry’s Pacemakers and keep this invaluable legacy alive.

Gerry and the Pacemakers on The Ed Sullivan Show in 1964 New York by Paul Schumach © public domain

Gerry and the Pacemakers on The Ed Sullivan Show in 1964 New York by Paul Schumach © public domain

Tony, what year did you join Gerry Marsden’s band?

It was in 1995, so it’s more than 25 years now. And then, as we all know, Gerry just kind of went into a bit of retirement, and we lost him in 2021, so it’s very sad. But before his passing, we organised the legacy with the management, and he gave us his blessing to go out and do the songs and keep the legacy going with all these great hits. At first, we wondered whether it would be a good idea, but we found that he was a really really good singer, and there were not many people who can sing You’ll Never Walk Alone like that. So we should be demonstrating to them, obviously on tour, that this can go on, I hope. This is very important both for us and for Gerry’s family.

What’s the legacy of Gerry and the Pacemakers?

In my opinion, it was obviously a fantastic age around 1963 with The Beatles, which was probably one of the strongest ages for British pop music and the British Invasion. We did really well in the United States and all over Europe and things like that with the songs that Gerry wrote and performed. That’s the legacy, just mash the songs in those days to get to number one and sell hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of thousands of songs like You’ll Never Walk Alone, I Like It and How Do You Do It? That’s the legacy in my opinion: great self-written tunes. And, of course, you had the era of The Beatles, etcetera. I’m very much into British music pop music, anyway.

What was Gerry’s relationship with The Beatles and Beatlemania?

Well, it’s hard to know, but Gerry always said that John Lennon was one of his closest friends. And there are many, many images online and pictures all over. There was one particular image with Gerry there with Roy Orbison, and The Beatles, it’s quite amazing. I wish I was kind of around at that time, but I was only a young boy then!

Did he share any memories from his time performing at The Cavern Club in Liverpool?

Only that it was a very strange time, it was alcohol-free, and Gerry always used to say that it was very sweaty, and I totally believed it! At the time, it must have been a big deal to actually get out of The Cavern and get out of Liverpool. It was kind of a good time for them to stretch their wings and play all over the world, basically. It must have been a fantastic time back in the day.

What did he say about his time being managed by Brian Epstein?

We did a theatre show, many, many years ago with Bill Kenwright that went to the West End in London, and there was quite an integral part of the show that was about Brian Epstein and what he did for all those young bands at the time. Gerry had nothing but kind words to say about Brian Epstein, he obviously kind of took him under his wing, along with The Beatles and Cilla Black. And he created what I said earlier about the biggest British pop explosion ever that is never going to be beaten.

Is it true that Gerry wanted to call the band The Mars Bars but he had to think again because the chocolate brand protested? 

It’s a story that Gerry used to tell on stage and that I got from him every night on stage, and whether or not it was true, I don’t know – because you never knew with Gerry! – but that’s exactly it. Apparently, they wanted to call themselves Gerry and the Mars Bars and the chocolate brand said no. The Pacemakers’ name came from running, like in the Olympic Games.

Which one of his own songs did he like the most?

I think that was Can’t You Hear The Song? That’s my favourite Gerry’s song: A because he co-wrote it, and B because it’s a wonderful tune. But I would imagine You’ll Never Walk Alone has got to be the song, for two reasons obviously: you’ve got the alliance with the city of Liverpool and the Liverpool Football Club. And it’s great, I think it’s Rodgers and Hammerstein who wrote it, and Gerry wasn’t the first to perform that, but he will forever be remembered for that. One can definitely say that Gerry made it his own, and I think everybody agrees with that. And that’s why it’s so important to keep his music going after all these years.

What was his relationship with Liverpool FC supporters?

Well, as you can imagine, they love him when he goes to the actual ground above the ground and he says “You’ll never walk alone”! And, of course, there is a similar relationship with the Celtic Football Club in Scotland, that’s why when we play in Glasgow we go down really, really well, and there are always great crowds there. And that’s possibly because of his affinity with them and with You’ll Never Walk Alone, even though this is obviously always going to be the Liverpool song.

How do you think he would like to be remembered?

He played his part in one of the biggest record explosions in British pop music and also wrote some other tunes. Ferry Across The Mersey, in particular, is a song that Paul McCartney often says that he wished he had written.

Some people believe the real Paul McCartney died in 1966 and was replaced with an imposter by the name of Billy Shears Campbell.

Well, he’s been woken up enough to cross the street barefoot with the rest of the other guys [he refers to the Abbey Road album cover], so he’s definitely alive and well!

That was in 1969, though. Anyway, how do you feel when you hear You’ll Never Walk Alone playing on the radio?

Brilliant. Yeah, it’s amazing, it still has got that power, doesn’t it? And everybody’s singing some of the voices, it’s such an important tune. Since Gerry passed away, we’ll try and do our best with the new Pacemakers, and hopefully, bring this legacy forward so people can enjoy all the great songs. They never die, anyway, you just got to keep them going. There are these great shows in Europe called Oldies shows when you get to realise that a lot of these guys are really old now! They really are! This music was colourful, fun and vibrant, but, as I said, some of the self-penned songs were also important, because a lot of people had the songs written for them, while Gerry did a lot of his own songwriting, which is quite important, like for The Beatles.

What is the biggest difference in music between yesterday and today?

Personally, I think, it’s energy. Today there are good artists like Ed Sheeran and George Ezra, and there are good songwriters and good performances, but I think a lot of the excitement is missing out in today’s music whereas, in those days, everything seemed more energetic. And definitely, some of the music was more unique than today’s music which all sounds quite similar to me. Yeah, I am not too enamoured with today’s music.

What achievements are you most proud of?

One of my favourite achievements was the charity gig at the NEC, the National Exhibition Centre in Birmingham, we did in the old days. We were allocated something crazy like 13 minutes, and behind me, there was this guy doing the soundcheck, and he was Cliff Richard! And there were so many other different bands taking part, and it was an incredible gig, all for charity. I really, really enjoyed that moment. And also, in more recent days with Gerry, we did a Rock Against Cancer gig, down south in the UK, somewhere near Bath, and that was a similar kind of thing, a fantastic show with loads of stars, it is just great to play at those momentous occasions. And then, I think some of the trips over to Australia. These are my personal achievements, and I really, really enjoyed those kinds of gigs, they are just fantastic.

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