Not only has Katrina from Katrina and The Waves – whose real name is Katrina Leskanich made the history of 1980s rock singing evergreen songs: she’s also strong, opinionated, clever as hell, plus completely lovely, pretty, funny and well-mannered.
You will probably remember her from 1980s rock-band Katrina and The Waves, whose two most famous achievements have been getting the UK to win (for the third and last time in history) the Eurovision Song Contest in 1997 with Love Shine a Light and singing the 1985 super worldwide hit Walking on Sunshine.
Katrina from Katrina and The Waves is now releasing a new album titled Hearts, Loves and Babys, out on 28th August 2020, whose first, powerful and electric track Drive has been on since July.
American-born and a resident of the UK since 1976, although she was just 16 when she moved to London, she still has to deal with things such as Britons complaining that why did it take them an American to win the Eurovision? And that she could maybe fake the Queen’s accent to sound more like them?
I don’t know if her witty sense of humour comes from being born in The Wizard of Oz‘s State of Kansas or having spent five decades living in the country of Mr Bean; all I know is that this lady is just brilliant and makes brilliant music.
And that she understands more about Brexit than the people who pretend they are working on it.
How are you, Katrina?
I’m great, thank you! Well, it’s pouring with rain here, it’s like a typical English day. We got a huge heatwave for a couple of weeks, but now it’s over. How are you?
Very good, thank you. Where in the UK are you now?
Northwest London. Thank you so much for having me!
How was the new album Hearts, Loves & Babys born and what does it mean to you?
I thought it was about time that I got creative and made a record. And it’s always fearful to make a record because you never know what’s going to come out, if it’s going to be any good and if you’re going to be able to be honest and authentic and real. And I did go ahead, and I made this record because it’s just very, very important to be creative, and it makes me feel very happy to be creative. And then, of course, you know, once you’ve done that, then you feel quite happy that you’ve done something and contributed something. And it’s also nice to have new things to talk about. Obviously, people like to talk about Walking on Sunshine and Love Shine a Light, which is okay, it’s fine Silvia, but it’s really nice to have some new material just to balance it out.
What achievements are you most proud of, at this stage in your career?
Well, I think to be a 60-year-old woman and just still be going! You know, I always say to myself: let other people quit, let other people fall by the way, let other people move on and do something else, but I will stay. I will stay and I will keep working hard and singing because I love to do it. And I think – you know – by the time you reach 60, my shows are very energetic, and they take a lot of energy. So yes, it’s quite good to keep doing it and to keep fit!
Are you going on tour anytime soon?
Yes, I will definitely tour. We have a problem now with the Covid-19, it’s very, very difficult now for musicians, and all of my gigs in 2020 were pushed into 2021. So, yes, as soon as everything is clear I can go on tour again, but it’ll be very, very slow.
You were born in America and moved to the UK in 1976, aged 16. What was the London music scene like back then?
Well, we did not belong there. We were in a band called Katrina and the Waves and it already sounds like a silly name, because everybody had very serious names. I mean, Siouxsie and the Banshees, that’s a serious name, compared to Katrina and the Waves!
Haha. You’re right.
And then there was Duran Duran and Spandau Ballet, and, um, oh, just, you know, this really kind of hardcore post-punk and new wave, and we come out with a happy song like Walking on Sunshine. And that wasn’t even a song that was like Katrina and the Waves: we were much, much more serious. But when the radio stations heard that song, they were like, “Oh, this is gonna be the song”. And it was successful because it’s a purposeful song because it works: if you’re feeling happy, it works. If the sun suddenly shines, it works. If the boy gets the girl, the girl gets the boy, it works. If you’re watching a movie, and everything turns around and the guy gets the job… yeah, it’s a good news song. People use it for weddings, and they even use it for funerals. And so it’s a novelty song, it just works to make people feel happy and feel good. And that wasn’t what the scene was like at the time, at all. I mean, we were laughing at people’s styles. We thought the styles were ridiculous because we were more like The Velvet Underground, we thought we were cool. You know, I always wore a black turtleneck and lots of black eyeliner. And then, after Walking on sunshine, they’ve got to put us in colourful shirts and we had to jump around and smile the whole time. And, you know, we didn’t even like smiling, but, you know, somehow the song survived and somehow the song continues to survive. And I guess the song is going to outlive me, Silvia, because I know even when I’m dead it’s still gonna be kicking around!
How do you feel about your American roots compared to the UK?
When you see that I came here in 1976, I was 16 years old, and you can tell that I still have my American accent. So I am American, I always feel American, but I’m not very proud of my country right now. I think it’s time for massive restructuring and change of American politics and America in general because I’ll tell you what, right now they’re in big trouble and I’m very, very happy to live in England.
Would you like to expand the discussion about politics?
Oh my gosh, I’m the most unpolitical person… I didn’t even know if my parents were Democrats or Republicans. And it turns out my mother was a Republican, and my father’s a Democrat. And I never knew that until like, just a few years ago! I really wasn’t interested in politics, but obviously, the politics that are happening in America right now drew me in and made me very, very interested in what’s going on. So I’m always watching CNN and news channels now.
How do you feel about Brexit?
I was disappointed. I loved feeling a part of Europe. I just felt like being part of a bigger thing was good for us. So much of my work is in Europe, and I thought it was very sad. But I think that the UK has always had an independent spirit, they like to stand alone. It’s a little island and they sort of have island mentality where they just like to stand alone and you know, good for them and good luck to them but for me, it was a sad day because I order my Parmesan cheese from Italy, and now it costs me a lot more!
I’m asking about Brexit because you won the Eurovision in 1997, which is a very European-centered competition…
I think it’s gonna be even harder for the UK to win the Eurovision Song Contest now. You know, they should have not done Brexit just for the Eurovision! Now they’ll never win again.
They’re always winning UEFA League matches, on the other hand. We will never get rid of them.
Yes, I see!
Have you got any interesting memories about winning the Eurovision you’d like to share?
It was an incredible honour to win. But it was a problem for some English people that I was American; they said: “why can’t we get an English singer”? Or: “can you try and talk like an English person?” And I was like “no, I can’t do that”!
You must be joking.
There were 24 contestants and the contest only took place on one night, on Saturday night and it was just… it was the perfect moment. You know, it was in Ireland, so we were very close to the UK and a lot of English people were in the audience. And it was just electric, it was absolute magic afterwards to meet Tony Blair and Prince Charles and the president of Ireland. It was just an incredible party from the second we won until even now this day!
How do you feel when you hear Walking on Sunshine playing?
Can you believe that it still makes me feel very happy? It gives me energy. It makes me feel happy. It puts a smile on my heart, even to hear it now and to perform it because it’s a beautiful song. And I’m so happy, I’m so happy to be the singer!
Are there any artists you would like to collaborate with at this stage in your career?
Well, you know, I love Deborah Harry, she’s just really brilliant. A lot of my heroes are dead, like “Mama” Cass Elliot who was my favourite singer and had just such a beautiful voice. As far as collaborations go, I’ll just wait and see what happens. I would have loved to have collaborated with George Michael, I think he was such a sweetheart. I met him, I was on tour with him in America, with The Pointer Sisters and Chaka Khan, and Wham! and oh my God, what a tour that was. And he was so so sweet.
What kind of music do you listen to these days, and what do you think of today’s music?
These days, I listen to an app called Jazz24, it’s jazz music, and they play new modern alternative jazz. And that’s all I listen to because jazz music makes me feel happy and it makes me feel cool, and to listen to anything else I feel like I analyse it too much. If I’ve had a few drinks then I like to listen to something that goes like tunz tunz tunz, you know, and dance around in the living room!
What do you think will happen to new wave music in the future? Do you think there will still be a place for the genre?
For new wave music today? I mean, from music from the past. Yeah. Well, yeah, the thing is, people love 80s music because it had such great attitude and great melodies and there was such a variety of music that always held down by melodies and songs that you could sing along to. I do more shows now with people like Paul Young, Toyah Willcox, Bananarama and all kinds of 80s bands because people love it, thousands of people will come and see these shows to see the 80s artists and you know, someday we will be dead. And I just don’t think that there’s any kind of music that can replace the 80s music. It just had something. And it was just, you know, a style of fashion. It was completely original. And now everything seems quite cookie-cutter, the singer all sound the same and look the same. I mean, there’s just too much attitude and people are just trying so hard to set the tone. They just want to be on TV and be famous. We didn’t care about being famous. We just wanted to make music, you know? Yeah. And I know that sounds a little bit snobby, but it’s the absolute truth. That’s how we felt about it, we just I wanted to be in a band and make music!
What do you think of The X Factor?
Obviously, there’s a purpose for The X Factor, you know, and people love it. And they love competition, don’t they? They love rooting for somebody. But it just seems like all of those shows are the same sob story, you know, like “oh, I’m dedicating this to my dead grandmother”. They just try and make it so sentimental. And so, for me, I don’t like that. Music should be cool, and musicians need to have an attitude, not crying around. You’d never see Deborah Harry crying around.
I so agree with you, Katrina. Have you got any new upcoming projects in addition to the album?
Oh my God, always. We have just come out with a single called Drive that has done very, very well on UK radio. We are going to try and get all the music released in Europe and do some press out there. Obviously, we will be doing the tour. We’ve got the new single coming out which is called I Want To Love Again, which I wrote for last year’s Eurovision and it was shortlisted for the UK. It’s got a great Eurovision kind of Euro-pop feel so, Silvia, check it out if you can. Also, the new album Hearts, Loves & Babys is out now!
★ Enjoyed walking on sunshine? If you are really into music from the 1980s you may also like our interviews with Spandau Ballet’s Steve Norman, UB40, Prince’s musical director Morris Hayes, Jeff Christie, Suzi Quatro, Paul Young, Barry Blue and Limahl
★ For stories about music legends, also have a look at our interview with Danny Zelisko, the concert promoter who has worked with everybody, from Whitney Houston to Alice Cooper, from Pink Floyd to Queen